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  • Started 1 year ago by Mrs.Mack
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  1. Mrs.Mack
    Member

    You want a challenge? Here's a challenge. You have about four months to sort through everything you own and get rid of most of it, because you're moving overseas.

    How and where do you begin?

    This week, my husband was offered a job in Tokyo. We are excited! But our moving date will be in July. We need to decide what's worth taking with us, and what's not, and figure out how to get rid of what we don't keep in this very short time. Obviously all the furniture and the cars go (though what do we do about the one car that we're still making payments on? How does that work?). And culling our books and sentimental items will be very difficult, but we know what to do.

    But what about things we love and use a lot, but would be very difficult to take? Like my stand-up mixer? Or his multiple gaming consoles (all of which he uses regularly)? These aren't things you can easily replace over there or will be expensive to replace. We'll be taking a severe pay cut by moving there (half his current salary, and I'll need to find a new job). We could ship some things, but the cost of shipping would have to be less than the cost to replace it (and shipping is expensive).

    Excluding anything we might ship, everything we own has to fit in four suitcases, two carry-ons, and two laptop bags. Can we say AHHHHHHH! or what?

    At its very shortest, this will be a two-year deal. But so long as they're happy with my husband's work and he still enjoys the job at the end of the contract, we'll continue (presumably) for life. So, getting a storage unit would just be a waste of money. With no plans to live state-side again, there's no point in holding on to stuff that we won't be able to use for years, if ever again.

    Advice? Suggestions? Stories of when you had to make a big move and/or make big decisions? Please share!

    It's been our dream to live in Japan, and this is a great opportunity to work with wonderful people. But this will be a difficult transition. Any help we can get would be wonderful, whether it's advice or moral support.

    Thankfully, there are no kids or pets to worry about. At least that's one thing that'll make all of this easier!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Sky
    Member

    How exciting! Please keep us up to date with your uncluttering...this will be a good lesson for all of us.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. silkee1213
    Member

    How exciting! You mentioned taking all of your furniture and both cars and I am wondering if you will need it all. I'm not sure how urban the space it where you live now, but Tokyo has great mass transit, and small living spaces than the American average. I would avice you to take that into consideration. If you know the dimensions of the space where you'll be living, see if all of your furniture will fit.

    If there are other expats within the Company he will work for, see if they have any advice on things they thought were necessary to bring with them but in the end did not use in their new life in Japan.

    Good Luck!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Aunt Cloud
    Member

    That's exciting! we moved internationally 6 years ago and it wasn't easy, mostly because I was just beginning to recover from being a clutterbug.

    What is the voltage in Japan? if it's European, you wouldn't be able to take anything that plugs in. I know you can use adaptors, but they can be costly and I wouldn't use an adaptor for anything that requires lots of power such as a stand mixer.

    Honestly? if it's just the two of you, I would pack for a long holiday, plus a few cherished keepsakes. Get there with just your luggage, ship the books and objets d'art that you would definitely like to keep, and (gasp) store everything else. If there is a chance you will come back within a few years, it's worth it and still cheaper than getting new stuff. Maybe you can ask a friend or a family member to ship stuff to you, gradually. I know Japanese houses are teeny, so I would go minimal.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Mrs.Mack
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    I'm glad everyone agrees that this is exciting. ;) I'll try to keep you all updated. So far, I'm just making lots and lots of lists!

    silkee1213, by "go" I meant "get rid of." So no, we won't be taking any furniture or cars with us. One car is payed off, but the other we're still making payments for (it's a used car, but we only got it in January when one of our cars died). :/ Does anyone know how to go about selling a car we're still making payments on?

    The voltage in Japan is very similar to the US, so we won't need to worry about adaptors or replacing our electronics. Thank goodness!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Catrien
    Member

    I packed for a long vacation and put everything else (that I wanted to keep) in storage. A year and a half later, when my move turned permanent, my husband-to-be and I cleaned out the storage unit in about 4 days (while dealing with last-minute wedding details).
    It can be done.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Claycat
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    Mrs.Mack, since you will be taking a pay cut, you need to sell as many of your items as you can. I suggest putting the furniture on craigslist, since it is hard to ship, so just sell it locally.

    The vehicles can also sell on craigslist. My niece just bought a really nice older truck on craigslist. Of course, the car you are still making payments on will have to be sold for more than the balance you owe. Look at the blue book price and figure out what you need to charge. If it is a Toyota or Honda, you won't have any trouble selling it. The imports are in high demand. You will have to get the title when it is paid off, so you can sign it over to the buyer. You might consider letting a car dealer sell it, if you are worried about the time.

    Everything else should go on eBay. Appliances and gaming stuff, if they are working, should sell really well. If you are worried about time with the eBay stuff, you should find someone that will sell it for you, for a commission. I will see if I can find a link for you.

    With the electrical stuff, you need to see if it will work in Japan. I know it won't work in Europe. I don't know about Japan.

    Only ship the stuff you don't want to get rid of. If you have photo albums, you could ship those, but I would keep a representative one with me, just in case.

    I'm going to do some research.

    I am so excited for you!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Claycat
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    Here is a link for finding a Trading Assistant on eBay.

    http://ebaytradingassistant.com/directory/index.php

    Here is a link for craigslist. You could sell the furniture by making an ad for each grouping or piece, or you could advertise a huge moving sale and put a few photos on. If sales do well in your area, this might be the best thing. If they don't, I would do it the other way. Always include photos.

    http://www.craigslist.org/about/sites

    Here is an article about how to sell a car on craigslist.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2000928_sell-car-on-craigslistorg.html

    You can also sell cars on eBay!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Claycat
    Member

    Here is an interesting site with some feedback about selling a car that is still financed.

    http://ask.metafilter.com/17518/Selling-Car-with-Lien-still-on-it

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Claycat
    Member

    In what area of the country do you live, Mrs. Mack?

    Added: You will need a power adaptor/converter in Japan to use your appliances, so this is a definite consideration in how many of your electrical appliance you want to take.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Mrs.Mack
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    Claycat, how did you know that our two cars are a Toyota and a Honda?! Hehehe, funny coincidence. I googled the bluebook price on our Honda (the one we're making payments on) and it's valued at about $4,000-$6,000 (depending on the trim of the car, which I don't know off the top of my head). We owe about $7,000, which includes the 2 year warranty through Carmax (the warranty is very new—got the car in January—so I'm hoping the warranty will be a plus in the buyer's eyes). So we'll see how that goes. We'll probably talk to Carmax and see what they suggest.

    Most of our photos are already on our computers. We'll have to figure out a way to scan our (large) prints, or take them with us in a safe way so they don't crumple. We don't have any traditional albums.

    Is there a reason you think selling our household items on eBay would be a better choice than also selling those on craigslist? Or is that what you meant by your comment? (You said: "If sales do well in your area, this might be the best thing. If they don't, I would do it the other way.") So, if craigslist does well in my area, do it that way, but otherwise through eBay? Just making sure I understand you. I live near Chicago, so I think selling things on craigslist should be fine. But if we get desperate with time or can't handle all of the effort, I'll see if I can find a trading assistant for eBay. I think I saw an eBay store about 30 minutes away from here.

    There will be a few things that aren't worth any money, but are still usable (stained, missing one in a pair, etc.) that I plan to Freecycle. But otherwise, yes, I'm hoping to sell everything so we have as much money for this move as possible. We have some savings, but not as much as I'd like.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Mrs.Mack
    Member

    As for adapters, I'll only need adapters if I have a three prong plug. Two prongs won't need an adapter, since the watts of the two countries are similar (I used to live there as a kid, which is why I know).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Claycat
    Member

    LOL! I live in outer podunk. I had two estate sales for my MIL. The first wasn't too bad. The second was not good. I live 50 miles from Austin, too far for people to come to a sale. There are not enough people around here to make a sale very good. That's why I said that. If you live near enough to Chicago, you shouldn't have any problem. Location!

    I have a Toyota, and that is probably what we will buy from now on. They are such good little cars! Used Toyotas and Hondas are both in demand, more so than other cars. That may affect the price. Hopefully you can make enough to pay off your loan.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. Claycat
    Member

    Also, I would choose a trading assistant over an ebay store, because she/he wouldn't have the overhead of having a building to pay for. Someone at a store probably won't give you as much. A trading assistant takes a commission. I'm sure you could find someone local.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Mrs.Mack
    Member

    I checked what the specifics of the Honda are, and found out that the private party value is just under $5,000 and the retail value is just over $6,000. Tack on the benefit of the warranty, and I'm hoping we'll break even on that one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. Gypsie
    Member

    How exciting! I lived overseas for 5 years and loved it!

    One thing to keep in mind about moving overseas with electronics is the Hertz, or the cycle of electricity. For example the US is 120 Volts/60Hz and Japan is 100volts/50Hz (Tokyo - eastern Japan); therefore, an alarm clock from the US will actually lose 10 min per hour if plugged into an outlet in Tokyo.

    Get rid of all furniture and cars. Personally, I'd only bring what I absolutely love and slowly buy new as needed. I have friends that live in Japan and they love it!

    Keep up posted!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. AJ
    Member

    When I moved abroad I only had two suitcases, mostly clothes and books (the airline I used back then only had size limits, no weight ones).

    I know someone who did the "evacuation method" for moving overseas. They pretended they had to evacuate from their home and could only take what would fit in their car (excluding seating for them and the boot (trunk), for extra difficulty). Part of the pretending includes the assumption that whatever was left behind would be destroyed in the coming calamity. They did go a little bit over, sending a few cartons of lighter unbreakable things by post.

    So, the hurricane, wildfire, flood is coming. What is important enough to "save"? What do you really need for the rest of your life?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. trillie
    Member

    How exciting!

    I don't have much to add to the above posts, I don't have much selling experience like Claycat, and I think AJ is spot on with the "evacuation scenario" and the quick decision for your important stuff!

    Personally, I would also think about my average day -- are there little things I often use and have gotten used to that can technically easily be replaced and thus would get left behind when evacuating, but could be missed afterwards? I'd try to evaluate their importance in my day before making a decision. (Examples for me would be the sharpest and best veggie peeler in the world, my little espresso maker, or the sheep skin I have on my desk chair.)

    Oh, and I just remembered something you might already know, but I'll say it anyway: Please consider that the clothing sizes in Japanese stores are "tiny" when compared to German sizes (similar in range to US and Canadian sizes). My friend, who isn't very tall for German standards, and has always been skinny and dainty and even lost some weight since living in Tokyo for two years now -- she can barely squeeze into a Japanese XL. So depending on your body shape, be sure to pack enough of each type of clothing, including something to wear for job interviews :o) (I'm not saying bring 70 pairs of socks, but depending on your body shape, don't take it for granted that you can buy clothes there easily.)

    Good luck on juggling all your stuff and getting rid of it in time ;o) What a great adventure! :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. fileboxx
    Member

    I had to learn the hard way after I moved overseas what I should have brought. Moving to a different culture is exciting and then a couple of weeks into it a bit overwhelming, so here is what I learned:

    Clothes
    Bring the clothes that fit you properly and feel comfortable and bring extra underwear and bras - I only brought one weeks worth of clothes and regretted it, the clothes styles that were in fashion at the time were very uncomfortable for me to wear, also find proper fitting bras and underwear has been like a search for the holy grail for me.
    Leave all clothes behind that don't fit the seasons that you will be living through, for example I brought heavy sweaters that I should have left behind and didn't bring the light cardigans that would have been very useful.

    Towels
    If you like a really big bath towel to wrap yourself in after a shower, then bring one with you because it will be difficult to find them.

    Toys and Books for the kids
    If you have kids bring their toys and books that important to them, they are going to need things familiar around them to help them transition as well.

    Laptop and Portable Hard drive
    If you don't have enough space, put this info on a portable hard drive but on your laptop have a copy of your important documents, your favorite recipes, music you enjoy listening to, pictures of people that matter to you, and e-books or stories that bring comfort to you, and a list of all the phone numbers/emails of people you want to keep up with

    Household Basics
    If the place you are moving to does not have the basics, then stop off at Ikea in Japan http://www.ikea.com/jp/en/ and buy the dishes/pots/pans Startboxes (http://www.ikea.com/jp/en/catalog/categories/departments/kitchen/15939/ )The cost of shipping these items is far more expensive then buying them there and the sheets/bedding you need will be different in size than what you are used to because the bed sizes are different.

    A folder to bring your most important documents in
    You will need a secure folder to hold paper copies of your passports, birth certificates, life insurance docs, social security info, etc. Keep this folder on your carry on luggage. Sometimes the original documents are asked to prove your identity for utilities, bank accounts, etc.

    Banking
    Try and have a bank account with a bank that has branches in Japan and the US so that you do not have to go through the frustrating experience of trying to bank from a different country that does not have a branch with people that you can talk to face to face if any 'glitches' happen.

    Technology
    The technology you will want to bring with you are a good watch with an alarm clock, a laptop with DVD player/portable harddrive/powercords/adapters, digital camera or video camera, a good translation tool so that you can know what the words are for the important things like 'bathroom'.
    The technology you will want to buy overseas is a mobile phone because the mobile phone system is different than America. You can buy cell phones that have a camera/mp3 players, etc to minimize the other stuff you bring.
    And pretty much I would leave the rest of the electrical stuff behind because of the voltage issues because even with adapters you can still have problems and with Region Codes your games may not work as well.

    Chocolate, spices, comfort items
    If there are things that bring you comfort like a favorite type of chocolate, or a home cooked meal with a certain spice, or a favorite small item, bring it with you. Even though you are living in a different country, you will still want your home to feel like home.

    Leave the big furniture behind
    This was hard for me to grasp because I was so used to the idea of lots of space and I am not just referencing lots of floor space, but also large fridges, bigger beds, wider sidewalks and roads, larger cars, stores with wider isles, etc. So spatially adjusting to smaller spaces helped me realize that bringing big furniture was just not practical because not only might it not fit but trying to sell or give away the furniture in the foreign country may be even more difficult than just putting the stuff into storage.

    Connect with people as soon as you can
    Find a church, social group, etc to connect with people because they will be the ones who will help you understand the new culture you live in and help you with the things one needs to find like a doctor, dentist, good language school, etc.

    Be prepared that change is hard but also has a lot to offer
    I wish someone would have just told me this: It will be really exciting when you move and live in a different culture but there will be times when you really miss 'home' especially around the holidays and when you are in frustrating situations but the whole experience will change your perspective on life and people and you will grow as a person.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. Claycat
    Member

    Great post, fileboxx!

    Trillie, I'm just a beginner, but thank you for the nice compliment!

    Posted 1 year ago #

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